Lemon Issues

[trekkiexb5]

*tiptoes in with head low due to guilt over last years incident*

Um Rose...oh gracious, YOUNG, beautiful warlord *grovel*. Forgive me for saying this but doesn't this come under the category of "namby pambying?"

The lemons are (for the most part) clearly marked, both in the title and usually at the start of the story itself. A person would have to be incredibly stupid to accidently read a lemon - in which case its a miravle they can actually work a computer.

As someone also involved...slightly, I really think there should be something to protect the kiddies from the dirty stuff. Age disclaimers(which you have) are the easiest, but there is no regulation to protect one from lying, and as last year has proved, alot of people lie, sad to say. And even after the protections are put up, people will continue to lie to see what the aren't old enough to see. You cannot really protect yourself from something like that. It's not like you can card us.

Everyone has great ideas and views, but what to do...I think we need to realise that if we what the adult content, the we may have to sacrfice some freedom. If passwords are the way to go, I'll suffer. Does that mean my stories don't get read as much due to lock downs placed on it? Yeah, and I'll probely grumble a little bit, but in the long run, this will have to be done.

So, whatever you do, Rose, is fine. Your judgment has been good so far, and, quite frankly, it IS your website. THough I voted before reading, I think you should do whatever is easiest for you to upkeep.

btw, If you're old, so am I. I think I'm only a few years younger than you. :razz:

[Sarah Riddle]

I agree that a new forum would be too much. I tend to stay away from the NC-17 - it's just not for me - but will read an R rated fic if it's story line is something I find interesting. And I'm 21 which is more than old enough to read NC-17. lol
There are underagers who write and read NC-17. They'll find ways around password-protected-must-be-of-legal-age restrictions. (What you learn in highschool from other people is amazing. It made my eyes widen from shock, but hey! I learned. u.u)
Anyway, as it has already been stated, you've rated this site and have authors rate their works accordingly. You, yourself, cannot be held responsible for another person's actions. If someone underage is reading that kind of content on the net and the parents (assuming they don't want said underage person reading R->NC-17) find out, well, that'll put an end to that!
So don't worry, k? You're not corrupting innocent minds. As long as someone actually puts NC-17 next to it instead of just 'lemon'... (I found out what a lemon is the hard way in middle school. >.<)

[blackrose]

I've read all the comments so far... and I agree with most of them. However, I don't think you're going to accomplish much with a BBS. Ok, your time is limited and this is what you've got, but seriously, you might want to consider a MySQL backend with at least a php front end. That way you'll have much more flexibility with how you handle this issue.

I do run a MySQL backend with a PHP front end. And without being a PHP/HTML guru of sorts, I do what I can.

If I were at work, I would say that this is a prime example of bending an app to serve needs that were never meant to be met at design time. In my opinion, you either stick with what you've got or swtich platforms.

To...what, exactly? If you have a particular recommendation that can handle the traffic load and import my existing db that costs less than about $200-$300, then please let me know. I've not found anything at all. I've purchased Expression Engine for another portion of the site; I've purchased SubDreamer to lay over the existing forums, but there is nothing that will magically do whatever it is that will protect this site (?). Short of starting from scratch and programming a php interface like FFN, I have no idea what I can possibly "switch to", and I think anyone who knows something about dbs and php programming would know that would take someone who has a full time job already several years to create and perfect. And even then, look at FFN - they ditched the adult-rated content. So, I'm not sure what it is you're suggesting here.

It's not going to protect curious eyes and you don't have that responsibility as others have said. You need to evaluate what your goals are in hosting this site and specifically what you want the users to be able to do.

Originally, my goal was to provide Heero x Relena fanfiction on as close to an up-to-the-minute basis as I could get. Because that was why I came to this site when I first entered fandom - Zoe updated every day or every other day. And when she was going to shut down the site, I (as well as several others) begged her to let us have it, and she did. But I was a terrible webmaster, comparitively. I'm a writer, not a web guru. My heart was in the right place, and I've learned whatever was necessary in order to create what we have now.

What is my goal, now? To provide a "safe haven" community for anime fans of het pairings - the ones who get tired of having to argue every other minute with someone on the more "open" fansites about why they like such and such het pairing or character. To provide a more 'family' (as in a community) type atmosphere as well as a place where people can feel welcome to post their stories and artwork.

Me, personally, I can't post all my stuff on FFN because of the adult content ban. I can't post all my work on Aishiteru because some of it is for other animes. So, I've got this contingent of work posted on this website, I've got that set of stuff I can post to the other website.... So, yes, it's important to me to be able to keep the adult content because it's generally very rare to be able to know that every story you click on is not going to be this inordinate SURPRISE as to what kind of content you might find. I've stumbled upon het lemons where the man was thinking of...another man in the midst of having sex with this girl, and that was not marked on the story. But I would have at least liked to know that would be in there before I clicked on the link.

So, it seems like, we have that extreme in fandom (surprise, there's a yaoi lemon in here) or the other extreme of "No adult material whatsoever (but still be careful because you may accidentally find Heero lip-locked with Duo)" and Blissful was about providing het romances of all ratings.

Does that answer your questions?

[blackrose]

Okay, I know that I sound like a prude. I'm old. But sleeping around outside of marriage screws your life over and would rather not read about it.

Foole? Did you FINALLY come back from being missing? *HUGS HUGS HUGS* Long time no see!

I personally agree with you to an extent; I'm more on the conservative side, anyway... But I also know that I've been guilty of including a lot more lemon scenes in my fics of late. I'm not entirely sure how it happened, but *shrugs* I will say that it's never my personal intent to include sex as anything other than a very deep and loving committment between two people (usually Heero x Relena), and they are generally old enough to be having that type of relationship (aka they're in their mid to late 20s). But I certainly would encourage you to stick to reading whatever you feel most comfortable with.

Good to hear from you!

Love,
Rose

[blackrose]

Also, Trekkie, stop feeling guilty. And Beer-Monster, stop stealing my Americanisms.

Namby pambering. *scoff* "I laugh in the face of fear and stuff ice cubes down the vest of danger"

[Beer-monster]

And Beer-Monster, stop stealing my Americanisms.

Aw shucks Rosey, Why'd ya'll hafta to go pokin' yer tongue at me all the tahme.

[trekkiexb5]

<Grovels abjectly in awe of the Great Web Mistress> I'm not worthy, not at all! Thank you Rose, I've only got tinges of guilty feelings. And as you being a terrible mistress, not at all! I visited the old site (where I read all the stories I could) THough this is better, I think you did a good job on the old site. Be proud, It's tough doing a site and keeping it running smoothly. Plus all the problems (like this one) and problem children you run into, I'm surprised you can keep a job, family AND write!

<applaudes and cheers the Great Black Rose>

Thank you for your hard work!

[Tsukiyo]

I vote other because it is my personal opinion that people don't accidently stumble on to "mature" materials. Everything on the site is clearly labelled as to what it includes. People need to take responsibility for themselves and not shift the blame for what they may "accidently" see on to someone else. In addition, I believe that there may be some individuals under 17/18 who are mature enough to handle what is written in R/NC-17 pieces. I don't believe anyone should be making that decision for them. The authors are only responsible for making it known that certain content is in their works so as to alert those that do not wish to read it. We need to stop passing the buck.

[fire cat]

Tough call there Rose, passwords would discourage readers, so I am more for the members only route. And you are not old.

[Jayudith]

I personally believe that if children really want to read R/NC-17 rated stories they are going to any way.

"Everything on the site is clearly labelled as to what it includes"-Tsikuyo.
Putting in another forum is just going to make things more difficult.

I dont think you can make an accident about stumbling into an R/NC-17 rated story. dont worry, it's good the way it is.
Judith