First exercise, the dreaded showing v telling

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First exercise, the dreaded showing v telling

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I'm hoping Ancient Lady won't mind if I borrow a little from our original 'assignment' from a while back on the Love Reflection ML, to start this forum off.

Showing v telling is the bane of any serious writer's existence. Once you think you have it licked, it comes back to bite ya (trust me) in the butt. But even still, this is something we can all improve upon. :)

Definitions

Telling: That which explains in a verbal sense.

Showing: That which demonstrates in order for the reader to come to a conclusion.

I'm going to give you an example of each, hopefully, of the same scene (as I make it up while sitting at my keyboard).

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Telling:

Heero was unhappy. He hated this class, and he hated the way Relena would laugh, under her breath, at whatever 'witty' remark Duo whispered from his seat just behind her. Since that day they bumped into each other at the library, Heero had been feeling...strange, whenever she was around.

He knew what it was. He was in love with her.

And he was jealous, oh so jealous, of the attention Duo was getting.

************************

Showing:

A soft, feminine giggle sounded from two rows over. Heero's pencil snapped in two. It was the second one since the bell rang. His notes were a jumble of chicken scratching across the page; his mind just would not stay focused on the teacher's droning voice.

He pulled another pencil from his case, then lifted his eyes, against his better judgment, and saw her smile. But not at him. She whispered something to the braid-wearing idiot sitting at the desk behind her.

Heero's third pencil snapped. It was his last one. He was going to have to use a pen. He scowled at the boy from across the room, willing him to spontaneously combust. Cobalt eyes stared back, one eyebrow lifting like the boy just discovered a secret. He tapped the girl on her shoulder and whispered something Heero couldn't hear.

She turned around. Heero's gaze darted down to the notes in front of him. He hadn't spoken to her since last Saturday, at the library, which was actually the first time they had spoken at all. She was...not the hottest or most sought-after girl in school, but she was prettier today than he remembered. The thought warmed his cheeks, and he could feel the heat in the tips of his ears.

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Do you see the difference? Which one made you FEEL more of what Heero was feeling? Which one brought you further into the story?

You can be honest. I made this up completely on the fly to demonstrate the difference between showing and telling.

Okay, so, your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to write a fic, approximately 2500 words or less (if it goes over, that's okay) of Heero asking Relena to a high school dance. SHOW US how he feels, how he asks, what made him decide to do it. Or, if you prefer, SHOW us how Relena feels when he asks, what led up to it, etc. Make it up, or start with my little scene above with them having met at the library and Heero staring at her from across the room. It's up to you.

Post your fic as a reply to this topic, and I'll go through it and critique it. Keep in mind, I'm not a professional, and my word isn't gospel. It's just my opinion, and the 'benefit' of what little I've learned over the last 2+ years.


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Post by demented fly »

ah, yes yes. I have been trying this for about 3,000 years...and I'm still not past my 3rd paragraph....I poopoo not.

I'm just....so....ack...
and I just kinda lost my desire to write...I dunno...it happened since good old dad crashed my compie...and everything went adios.

so, I'm asking, is there like a time-limit for this lil challenge? cuz it's gonna take me a looooooooooooooooooooooong time.....
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Uhm...I'm not really sure, and I might be completely off, but I think the "Telling" version of the story was blunt and to the point. It told us exactly what Heero was thinking/feeling. "He was in love with her...", "He was jealous...", and etc.

In the "Showing" version, however, it didn't exactly tell us that Heero was jealous. It had a string of events that led us to think that yes, Heero was jealous. The pencils breaking because of his tension, how his attention kept going to Relena, his scowling/glaring at Duo, his wish that Duo would "spontaneously combust", his thinking that Relena looked extremely pretty today, etc.

Did I lose it, Rose? I want to make sure I understand before I start running a little ficlet demostrating the showing/telling thing...

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demented fly wrote:ah, yes yes. I have been trying this for about 3,000 years...and I'm still not past my 3rd paragraph....I poopoo not.

so, I'm asking, is there like a time-limit for this lil challenge? cuz it's gonna take me a looooooooooooooooooooooong time.....
Nah, not really. I had some ideas about writing my own, actually, just because I want to see Heero ask her to the dance!!!! But, no, no time limit. I've been eyeing some books on exercises to do, and I'm thinking of buying one in order to post more. Then people could come and browse through a few whenever they're stuck, and maybe just play with one of the ones that catches their fancy.

Does that sound all right? :)

I hope you do write something!!! :)

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Naoko wrote:Uhm...I'm not really sure, and I might be completely off, but I think the "Telling" version of the story was blunt and to the point.
Yeah it was. And, in my opinion, not nearly as interesting. Nothing to guess at. Nothing to figure out. Nothing that made me really sympathize with the boy.
In the "Showing" version, however, it didn't exactly tell us that Heero was jealous. It had a string of events that led us to think that yes, Heero was jealous.
*nods nods*
The pencils breaking because of his tension, how his attention kept going to Relena, his scowling/glaring at Duo, his wish that Duo would "spontaneously combust", his thinking that Relena looked extremely pretty today, etc.
Ah, but there WAS tension in the 2nd one. There wasn't really in the first one, I didn't think. At least, I think there was more in the 2nd than the first. I feel a little more sympathetic for the 2nd boy. And I think we get more characterization out of that short little bit than the first. It's the subtleties....

Heero doesn't care that she's not the most popular or most beautiful girl in school. Conclusion: he's interested more in HER and her personality than just like a hot date for Sat. night.

He's jealous, yes, of the attention Duo's getting from the girl. SO JEALOUS, in fact, he's unable to focus on his lesson. Conclusion: he's in love with her. Maybe he knows it, maybe he doesn't. But he does know he likes her.

Relena whispers something to Duo. Conclusion: Are they, perhaps friends?

Duo picks up on the fact that Heero is staring at Relena, and probably WHY he's staring at Relena. He then taps Relena on the shoulder and she turns around to catch Heero staring. Conclusion: Is Duo JUST a friend? Or, is he a rival?

They had met at the library on Saturday, and spoken for the first time. She was prettier today than he remembered. Conclusion: They're library meeting inspired these 'feelings', and her personality, knowing her, made her more attractive to him. Again, he's the kind of guy who's interested in a relationship with her. Something long term.

Heero's cheeks warmed, and his ears grew hot when she turned around to catch him staring at her. Conclusion: Heero's a bit shy. He's obviously not TOLD her how he feels, or made any sort of 'move' to ask her out. etc. etc.

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I'm jealous that you got a car for your 16th birthday and I didn't.

I'm SO jealous that you got a car for your 16th birthday and I didn't that I'm breaking pencils and hoping you would DIE.

See the difference?

You're definitely on the right track, Naoko. And showing is not easy. As I tell people all the time, the more you know about writing, the more difficult it becomes. O_o Ooooh, the days when I could churn out multiple chapters in a day or weekend. *sigh*

*hugs* I hope you attempt this. I really want to read a fic with Heero asking Relena to a HS dance. :)

Love,
Rose

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Did I lose it, Rose? I want to make sure I understand before I start running a little ficlet demostrating the showing/telling thing...
You didn't lose it. I went into a greater explanation thingy. But, yeah, things are a little more blunt in the first one, and leaves less things undecided. But it's in the questions that you get a greater, more complete fic. Because the author has to answer those questions. Or, should.

In the second one, I want to know what happened at the library to make him start to have these feelings. In the first one, yeah, ok, they bumped into each other. It's a fact. Not a clue. Does that make sense?

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Post by Beer-monster »

Ah S v T, ever since Blackrose first mentioned it to me its been on my mind. However not in my fics unfortunately.

The main problem is a block when thinking up ways to show the emotions. Of course the use of the pencil gave me and idea. However the displey must be appropriate for that character. Since I like to write Heero, that is often a problem as Heero does not show emotion often or in such graphic ways. He has probably got too much control to go around snapping stationary all the time, so that poses a problem. You can of course use his glare to portray different emotions, I am very fond of using eyes to show feelings (eyes are the windows of the soul). However how do you differentiate between looks of love, of anger of indifferience of jealousy without saying something about it? That why I've been finding the s/t thing hard. Also when you lose yourself in writing, its hard to notice such things (well it is for me personally).

Another problem is introspection. I personally like to get into a characters head and see what makes it tick. Blending the specific emotion with some very deep introspection. As a science student (Scientist who writes? Hmm thats odd), I'm very analytical and I like to analyse the characters in all dimensions to really show what they're like. Such introspection I find does often require telling the readers some things. But hey I'm no expert so I'm probably just doing it wrong :wink:

As I rule of thumb I allow myself to tell of the feelings of the characters whose viepoint I'm narrating. Even if you write in the 3rd person there is always a character who you're narrative focusses on, sp since your already in their head you should just know how they feel. All the other characters I try to show their emotions through expressions and actions. However this still collapses often, (so often I wonder if I ever thought of it) especially with expressions of puzzlement.

Puzzled and surprised. These are the ones that have been causing me trouble of late as once you have used the confused frown, furrowed brows, upcast eyes, wide eyes, what left is there, especially if it happens often in one scene and no one is carrying anything to drop. Also surprise and confusion are often easy expressions to define and so the term bemused look, or shocked face come naturally to me.

Just my thoughts, any advice, comments, disagreements?
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Beer-monster wrote:Ah S v T, ever since Blackrose first mentioned it to me its been on my mind. However not in my fics unfortunately.
LOL. Go check out my rant on adverbs. Maybe that will help get you started in the right direction?
The main problem is a block when thinking up ways to show the emotions. Of course the use of the pencil gave me and idea. However the displey must be appropriate for that character. Since I like to write Heero, that is often a problem as Heero does not show emotion often or in such graphic ways.
Oh, I dunno, Beery. I think you're over estimating. Sure, when it came to dealing with his classmates, he was standoffish and cold, but he DOES things that give away his emotions. And he does have them.
He has probably got too much control to go around snapping stationary all the time, so that poses a problem.
All the time, no, he probably wouldn't. Occasionally? I think it's not OOC.
You can of course use his glare to portray different emotions, I am very fond of using eyes to show feelings (eyes are the windows of the soul).
Yes, with exception. First off, do NOT, please please PLEASE do NOT do things like "and his eyes shone with love mixed with confusion and hurt". That is telling.

His eyes blazed with fire, that is an observation. Heero wouldn't be able to tell us that his own eyes were blazing, but he WOULD notice Relena's eyes blazing.

That's another part of your solution, you know. Dealing with POV. If you're IN Heero's POV, he's not going to be noticing too much some of his unconscious declarations of emotion. He might clench a fist or set his jaw, but there's also internal dialogue.

*****************

The bell rang, and Heero threw his notebook into his backpack and made for the door. Before he got halfway there, a hand on his arm brought him to a halt.

"Hey, you. Where are you going in such a hurry?" Her voice sounded teasing. Was she laughing at him?

He turned his head to glare at her, but felt his anger dissipate when he saw her smile. "Relena..."

"Did you get your paper done?"

He saw her lips move, but his brain had slowed to second gear. Paper? Oh, the reason he was at the library on a Saturday in the first place. He started to reply when he saw her face dim.

"Is something wrong? Did you not get it done?"

"No. I finished it."

"Oh, okay. You just...looked upset for a moment."

Heero blinked. "Sorry," he mumbled and glanced at the floor. He was no good at this - talking to girls. Talking to HER especially. His tongue managed to thicken in his mouth and his brain wouldn't work the same way it did the rest of the time.

"Well, I didn't mean to make you late. If...if you're in a hurry." She dropped her hand from his arm and he looked up in time to catch her gaze for a brief second. She blushed and turned to stare at the door. He caught his breath, why would looking at him make her blush? And when had she gotten so close?

"Are you planning on going to the dance next weekend?" Relena motioned at the advertisement for Homecoming on the library bulletin board.

Heero frowned. "No."

"Why not?"

He shrugged. "I don't dance."

"You don't like to dance, or you don't know how?"

"I know how. I just...don't like it."

"Oh." Her eyes fell to the tabletop between them.


"Well, I'd better get to class...."

Ask her!

"Yeah."

Ask her, you idiot!

"Um, I guess..."

"Relena, um--"

A heavy hand clapped down on his shoulder. "Heya buddy, how's it hangin?"

Heero turned and glared daggers at the braided menace. Duo Maxwell had just earned himself a one-way ticket to hell.

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Eh, it's not necessarily very good. I just made it up off the cuff.
However how do you differentiate between looks of love, of anger of indifferience of jealousy without saying something about it?
Okay, the only way you can do it is by also working on your point of view, to be honest.

You should be only in one point of view per scene. Most mainstream publication houses will tell you that POV should not change in the middle of a scene, and that the whole novel should be in EITHER the hero or heroine's POV at all times. So, no, don't write that scene from the cat's perspective or from homeless guy #3's POV.

Heero isn't going to be able to see his own looks. He can see other people's reactions to his looks. He can see OTHER people's looks. When he sees Relena look at him and then blush, that's implying she's nervous is it not? When he sees Duo grin at him in a less than friendly manner, that's his interpretation. Duo could just be teasing him, but that's not important to the story at THIS point in time. What's important is Heero's perspective. He sees Duo as a threat. Maybe Duo is, maybe he's not. All that matters is Heero's perception of Duo's intent. Because Heero is the one telling the story.
That why I've been finding the s/t thing hard. Also when you lose yourself in writing, its hard to notice such things (well it is for me personally).
It takes practice. First, you have to have someone tell you, you have a problem. Then they have to explain to you the problem in a way that you can understand, and/or that you can then recognize problem areas on your own. THEN you have to remember to apply that knowledge. Even if it's not in the first draft, have it on the tip of your brain when you read through that rough draft to make edits. As you get more used to it, you'll catch it more the first time around. I'm not saying that it'll ever be FIRST nature to write a particular way. But it can become second nature. Where, when you start to write that line about Heero being angry, you catch yourself before you write the word "angrily" and describe something about him that indicates he's angry.
Another problem is introspection. I personally like to get into a characters head and see what makes it tick. Blending the specific emotion with some very deep introspection. As a science student (Scientist who writes? Hmm thats odd), I'm very analytical and I like to analyse the characters in all dimensions to really show what they're like. Such introspection I find does often require telling the readers some things. But hey I'm no expert so I'm probably just doing it wrong :wink:
Yes, yes you are doing it wrong. Introspection is fine. But long passages of narrated introspection is not good. There should be an equal balance of dialogue and narration. Long sections of YOU telling us how Heero feels and why is YOU TELLING us how Heero feels and why.

Instead, flashback on something that demonstrates why he came to feel this way. Or have him mutter something to himself. Or think something in internal dialogue form. Heero remembered a snippet of conversation from the library on Saturday. Relena hinting about Homecoming - that she'd like to go with him. That's from RELENA'S perspective. From Heero's POV, he didn't catch on that it was a hint. BUT, *we* probably did (girls did, at least), and it jogged his memory that he had been thinking of asking her to go.

Now, if we really want to think about it... This is a demonstration in and of itself as to the fact that Heero is sweet on Relena. He doesn't dance. But he'd consider asking Relena to the dance. Why? Because he wants to be with her, and she seemed interested in the activity. Not everything has to be implied in such a way as it's RIGHT THERE for us and explained. I think it's a fairly logical assumption that if Heero's considering taking Relena to a dance, and especially when he doesn't like dancing, he's attracted to her. Did I spell that out in simple language in my scene? No.

She had such beautiful eyes and he couldn't help but compare the color of her hair to the last waning light of the sun on the horizon... He was attracted to her, not for her looks only, but because she was smart and fun... GAG! It's not only lame, but OOC for Heero. Meanwhile, with a flashback on him telling her he doesn't like dancing, which IS Heero-like, and then trying to ask her to the dance, we demonstrated that Heero has some feelings for Relena, and they must run fairly deep to make him consider an activity like DANCING.
Puzzled and surprised. These are the ones that have been causing me trouble of late as once you have used the confused frown, furrowed brows, upcast eyes, wide eyes, what left is there, especially if it happens often in one scene and no one is carrying anything to drop. Also surprise and confusion are often easy expressions to define and so the term bemused look, or shocked face come naturally to me.
Okay, here's a question. What do you do when you're puzzled or surprised? Because me, personally, I don't FEEL puzzled or surprised too terribly often.

I get confused, perhaps. And then I might arch an eyebrow and ask someone to repeat themselves, explain it, or I might just say "I'm confused." or "That made no sense." I don't see why confused/puzzled is anything terribly difficult. Maybe I'm missing something?

Surprised. I'm not often surprised. You might gasp, take in a sharp breath, have your breath catch, or your heart pound in your chest. If you're noticing someone else's surprise, their eyes may widen, they might gasp, clutch a hand to their chest, stagger back, mouth drop, gape, cry out, any number of things. You suggested dropping something, that's good.

Confused frown, bemused look, shocked face, all of those are telling. If your character isn't sure what someone else's expression might mean, you could say that their eyes widened and mouth dropped; the person appeared to be surprised by the information.... That's your character's observation, not YOURS, the narrator.

You can come up with excuses about this or that all day. I wanna see you try to do it, Beery. :P

So... *pokes pokes* Where's your attempt? Come on, write, you you...Beer monster, you!

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Question 1 dear Rose is What took you so long to reply?

You make a lot of great point, but a flash back or muttering is not really introspection, your not getting in his head. I don't use long passages except to explain things which seems to fit Heero as he seem quite a contemplative guy (as all the GW characters do as they are constantly spouting sililoquy's like no one can here their deepest thoughts). I try not to tell them out right but usually through metaphor and thoughts.

Eg

Heero's knees had turned to jelly and butterflies began flogging at his stomach.

"Yes, Heero?" Relena asked with a small smile.

His tongue seemed to swell in his mouth. Why couldn't he remember the words. It was such a simple question, one small sentence, and yet his throat had bunched and locked his voice inside. It was her, he knew it. Something about her robbed him of his wits. That smile of hers and those dazzling blue eyes stole the words right out of his mind, and left it void.

"Hn" He grunted, soldiers instict coming to fill the silence.




See I had to say something, put I think I gave a closer look into Heero's warped little bonce. But then maybe thats a matter of style.

As for a fic. Hm...well I did knock of a quick one shot. I wanted to see if I could write a decent fic in a couple of hours and to practise some showing v telling (alyhough that was a 2ndary point). It is one BI however, its not GW *gasp*. You can read it if you want its called All or Nothing, the more grammtical version is on FF.net.

But then perhaps we'll see if I ever get back to 3 little words. But I'm not sure I can. Looks at great fics in forum. I'm scared :( .

And stop poking me dammit. :evil:
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Beer-monster wrote:Question 1 dear Rose is What took you so long to reply?
:P
It's not like I've been twiddling my thumbs, you know, in the first case. In the 2nd, I thought I was pretty thorough in my reply, and it wasn't something I dashed off in 5 minutes. It took me a good hour.... :P :P :P
You make a lot of great point, but a flash back or muttering is not really introspection, your not getting in his head.
ON THE CONTRARY... A flashback is completely subjective to whomever is remembering it. As I've explained to Loyce, when you or I remember something, we remember something that was said, how we felt, etc. And so, it IS from the character's head, number 1, and number 2, it's a far better introspection than... I hate doing this, but there's a passage I'm thinking of that a friend sent me.... I can't post it here, and I'd hate to pick on her or anything. I've already told her what I think of it, so it's not like it'd be a surprise, but still....
It hadn't happened right away so it couldn't really be called love at first sight. She had interested him. War caused children to become adults, but Relena had always been a woman far beyond her years.

She had started out a nameless face, bordering on irritation in the beginning. But as time passed and a strange friendship began to form,
she stirred emotions deep within him; emotions he thought had been destroyed by his training.
I paraphrased, so it's not something she wrote exactly. It continues on for like another half a page. And the narrator is TELLING. We're not getting any sense of what the character feels from being inside the character's head. The narrator is telling us background, and telling us how he feels. That's not what we're aiming for.
Heero's knees had turned to jelly and butterflies began flogging at his stomach.

"Yes, Heero?" Relena asked with a small smile.

His tongue seemed to swell in his mouth. Why couldn't he remember the words. It was such a simple question, one small sentence, and yet his throat had bunched and locked his voice inside. It was her, he knew it. Something about her robbed him of his wits. That smile of hers and those dazzling blue eyes stole the words right out of his mind, and left it void.

"Hn" He grunted, soldiers instict coming to fill the silence.
I don't think that's too long at all. Maybe a bit romanticized for Heero with the dazzling blue eyes, but I can go with it. Soldiers instinct, well, that's going to depend on the situation. It borders on telling, but isn't too distracting.

The simple matter is, we're all going to TELL sometimes. Because as writers, we're afraid the audience will miss it. We're afraid they'll miss something important, or not get what we're trying to say or convey about a particular character's feelings, etc. It's a hard fear to let go of. And even the most celebrated authors throw in the occasional (or in the case of JK Rowling quite a few, I hear) adverb, and tell here and there.
But then maybe thats a matter of style.
There are going to be some things that boil down to style, and certainly, not everyone wants to write like me. I'm passing along information that I have either read in Stephen King's book "On Writing" or gleaned from the occasional workshop, panel, or lecture I've attended. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them have had a particular emphasis on showing v telling, except for the screenwriting workshop with Dan Decker, but that's another lesson for another day.

Dan Decker is a really interesting guy.
As for a fic. Hm...well I did knock of a quick one shot. I wanted to see if I could write a decent fic in a couple of hours and to practise some showing v telling (alyhough that was a 2ndary point). It is one BI however, its not GW *gasp*. You can read it if you want its called All or Nothing, the more grammtical version is on FF.net.
NOT 1xR from GW? *smacks Beery*
But then perhaps we'll see if I ever get back to 3 little words. But I'm not sure I can. Looks at great fics in forum. I'm scared :( .
Oh, you can too. Stop with the excuses. If you write it, I'll read it. So :P

*pokes*
And stop poking me dammit. :evil:
NO! *poke poke poke poke poke poke poke poke*

And *poke*

Love,
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Here we are... It's from my FMP fic, Dinner and Dessert, ch 4, and it's inside Kalinin's head. It's a rough draft, but I think demonstrates the ability to get into a character's head without too much "introspection"

The Major stepped out of his office a while later to do a routine check and travel the halls. It always gave him time to think. Sousuke's report had lifted a weight from his shoulders. He had been concerned, perhaps in a way similar to a father looking after his son. Kalinin himself had no sons. He had married military life, and remained faithful to it all these years.

There are men who are born to be soldiers?. Hands folded behind his back, Kalinin didn't bother to inspect much as he walked down the hall, caught in his musings.

A good man is not a good soldier.
But I am not a good man.


He turned down a perpendicular corridor and headed for the bridge.

Many a bastard has lived and died on the battlefield.

A brief flash of that cockroach, Gauln's face appeared in his mind. Yes, bastard. Kalinin snarled and maneuvered around another officer. Sousuke's quarters were just up ahead.

He stopped as he got close to the door, not really understanding why he had come, and determined to pass without further intruding on the young sergeant's time.

Great men die heroes.

The Major shook his head. Don't try to be a great man, Sagara.

As if in answer, Sousuke's voice sounded from within. "Yes, Kaname?. It's okay."

Kalinin smiled and continued on his way. But do better than me. Be a good man.

"I?I miss you, too, Kaname."

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