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Forgotten Worlds:Forward and Disclaimers

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:19 pm
by Teankun
Well, this is my first fanfic. I decide to do this because I think I have a wonderful imagination and many good ideas and I would like to share them with others.

I've also done it because I have a few pet peeves about Gundam Wing both the actual series as well as many fanfics.



One big problem I had with the series was that it seemed to almost imply that people go to war just for the sake of the thrill of the fight, which is almost never the case. This will be explored more in the story.

Also it got to me a bit how too good the Gundams were, almost God-like. Any real wonder they won? I wanted to create an enemy that they would really have to work to defeat, and with a lot of help.

And speaking of enemies, it got too complicated to understand who the enemy was at times. The main "bad guy" in the end turns out to bet not so bad at all. Come on, where are the Hitler's, the Stalin's, the Xengis Kahn's, the Val the Impeller's; tyrants who ruled with total blood and terror? Rulers that were absolutely so evil and demented that they were beyond redemption. Or for that matter, the Al Capone's and the Charles Masons's? Not rulers, but sick, demented, evil excuses for humans just the same


Regarding fanfics, I have a big hang-up on how many of the have the characters have premarital sex. As for me, they all wait. Our favorites ladies are all able to honestly were white at there weddings.

It also gets me how many show their ignorance in science. I'm a Chemistry Major and I've had to learn a lot of physics to get my Bachelors. The primary pet peeve is regarding Lagrange points. I've read many who have L6 or L9, but those don't exist. The reason they don't exist is because Lagrange points actually do exist! They are not something the creators of Gundam made up. They are points of equilibrium of gravity between to bodies (in the case on Gundam, between the Earth and the Moon). Let me try to explain where they are. L1 is just beyond the moon, L2 is near the moon but between
the Moon and Earth, L3 is in the orbit of the Moon but on the other side the Earth, L4 is in the Moon's orbit but 60? ahead of the Moon, while L5 is 60? behind. BTW, actually L4 and L5 are the only ones one should be able to put anything because the other three are too unstable. My physics professor described the points like this L4 and L5 are like holding a marble in a cupped hand, while L1, L2, and L3 is like balancing the marble on a knuckle or balancing a sphere on top of another sphere. Not impossible, but very hard. They slightest upset, could send a body flying. This was somewhat addressed in EW, by Barton attempting to upset a colony's stability and send it flying to earth.

Another problem is with gundanium. Some think it is a special element that is mined. It can't be. There is no place to put it on the Periodic Table. Further more, it is an alloy, a mixture of metals and other elements; it's actually called an alloy in the series. The significance of it coming from space is likely due to two reasons. One is that it is composed of other elements that are more plentiful in asteroids. For instance, iridium is rare on Earth but plentiful in asteroids
(this has been used support the asteroid theory of the dinosaur extinction). Iridium is also very dense and resistant to vibration so it is very likely that it is a major component in gundanium. The other significance of it coming from space is that better, more uniform alloys can be made in a micro-G environment. Uniformity may also be obtained cryrogenically from sub-zero temperatures of space.

Another pet peeve may also be sound effects in space where there is no sound. Now I know that Hollywood rarely pays attention to this, but many fic writers I think over do it on the onomatopoeia.


When I write my fic, I am going to try to not only entertain but also educate and make the reader think. Spelling and grammar I will admit are not my strong points, so feel free to comment and help me make revisions (my fic is open to revision). Constructive criticism is encouraged, but avoid flaming (especially with science), or I may retaliate to your flame with a squadron of B-52s dropping napalm (metaphorically of course). So you better have some freggin credentals to back yourself up.


Offence material:

Sex: Again, I don't care too much for graphic sex, so no lemony stuff. Some is implied and some sexual innuendo so it may get limey (or at least grapefruity). Graphic post description of rape victim, however.

Violence: Tons. Often very graphic and goery. Many disturbing and sick ways of people dying. No way would it get on Toonami. War is all Hell.

Drug use: Fair amount



And now for the ultimate "Gundam Wing" fanfic disclaimer:


I do not own "Gundam Wing." "Gundam " was created by Hajime Yadate and Yoshiyuki Tomino and is owned by Sotsu Agency Sunrise.

Also special apologies to:
George Lucas
Michael J. Straczynski
Gene Roddenberry
Lorne Michaels and the rest of the staff of "Saturday Night"
Kenichi Sonoda
Matt Groening
Tom Clancy
Craig Thomas
The Hottest Man in Show Business, the Godfather of Soul, Mister James Brown! Jack Higgins
Stan Sakai
the Zucker Brothers
Lord British
National Geographic
The French
Takahashi Rumiko
Van Halen
Ray Bradbury
Jack Jones
Bon Jovi
ABBA
Barry White
Indians (both kinds)
Falco
Joe Diffey















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Orsen Welles
Oak Ridge Boys
Mark Knopfler
Paul Simon
Joe "Curly-Joe" DeRita
Toto
Pink Floyd
Graham Russell and Russell Hitchcock
Peter Schilling
Confucius
Lord British
Glean Larsen
My college professors
Herbert Kretzmer
Rodgers and Hammerstein
Kenny Loggins
John Barron
Herb Alpert
Burt Bacharach
Hal David
Tom Lehrer
Allen Sherman
the guys of "Monty Python"
Michael Moore
(Naw, that anti-American, unlibertarian propagandists deserves every bit or crap thrown at him).
Dark Horse Comics
Cheech Marin and Tommy Chong
the makers of "Simon & Simon"
the makers of "Cheers"
the makers of Dirty Harry
the makers of "Sienfield"
the makers of Meet the Parents
the makers of "Red Dwarf"
the makers of The Matrix
the makers of "Benny Hill"
the makers of "Doctor Who"
the makers of Ghostbusters
the makers of the movie Flash Gordon
the makers of Fletch
the makers of "M*A*S*H"
the makers of Tora, Tora, Tora
the makers of "Batman"
the makers of Tron
the makers of "Wonder Woman"
the makers of "Police Academy"
the makers of "Charlie's Angles"
the makers of "It's You Move"
the makers of "Mission Impossible"
and the University of Heidelberg ---- (whew!) did I get everybody?


The Trojan Inetrgration, Trojan Order, ISI, MRA, SPA, their members, MFs, NeCSIS, APDs, OMPCs, and Karl and Janna are mine.

I am not making any money on this. If I was, it wouldn't be here; it be printed on paper available at Amazon.com or Media Play. Please do not sue (but feel free to contact me at teankun@netscape.net if I ever do professional writing so I can know how to clear the channels and satisfy the lawyers, then people can make disclaimers to me). Any other relation or similarities with any person real or fictional, living or dead, is purely coincidental. SO THERE!!!

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:51 pm
by Wingnut
I have the solution to your problems. Go watch some Gundam series set in the universal century. Like the original Gundam, or Zeta Gundam. You will find what you desire in the tales told in that time line.

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:41 am
by Teankun
Yeah, I know the UC universe sometimes does have more specified reasons to fight, but I have a few problems with that one , too. Although, I think "MS Team 08" is my favorite story because it centers so much on the regular soldier.

Anyway, I also want to go deeper into politcal philosophy and how it can influence why people fight. For that matter, as you should be able to surmise from the first chapter, if the "bad guys" of my fic were in the UC universe, they would not be too crazy about the Zabi family either.

Thanks for input

BTW, I'll start the actual story a bit later today.

Re: Forgotten Worlds:Forward and Disclaimers

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:57 pm
by kaijyuu_m
My 25 cents regarding your peeves about GW:
Teankun wrote:One big problem I had with the series was that it seemed to almost imply that people go to war just for the sake of the thrill of the fight, which is almost never the case. This will be explored more in the story.
You did? My impression was that each character in the show was trying to find and/or define their own reasons for fighting. And the answers didn't seem to be as simple as you put it.
Teankun wrote:Also it got to me a bit how too good the Gundams were, almost God-like. Any real wonder they won? I wanted to create an enemy that they would really have to work to defeat, and with a lot of help.
I think the creators did that on purpose. You'll notice that a lot of elements of "Gundam Wing" are exaggerated, overly dramatic, etc. to the point of being almost ridiculous. Some people (i.e., me) find that to be one of the charms of the series.
Teankun wrote:And speaking of enemies, it got too complicated to understand who the enemy was at times. The main "bad guy" in the end turns out to bet not so bad at all. Come on, where are the Hitler's, the Stalin's, the Xengis Kahn's, the Val the Impeller's; tyrants who ruled with total blood and terror? Rulers that were absolutely so evil and demented that they were beyond redemption. Or for that matter, the Al Capone's and the Charles Masons's? Not rulers, but sick, demented, evil excuses for humans just the same
I don't understand why you watch any of the "Gundam" series if you are questioning the above. The lack of a true "bad guy" is one of the main features of any "Gundam" series. The viewer is expected to be confused as to "who the enemy is". In any of the "Gundam" universes, your so-called "tyrants who rules with total blood and terror" and "sick, demented, evil excuses for humans" have their own stories to tell and are worth the viewers' compassion.

By the way, I think you have the positions of Lagrange Point 1 and 2 reversed. AFAIK, L2 is *beyond* the moon.

Anyhow, looking forward to seeing the fic itself.

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:33 pm
by Teankun
Sometimes I don't understand it myself :-?

But I do see your point, and actually the main antagonists of my fic feel they are in the right. Even the National Socialists convinced the German people that what they were doing was for the better.

I'll admit another peeve I have about many other fics is a standard faceless "mur-ha-ha" villian. I wanted the villians in my fic to be much more complex. I guess I did a good job. I asked one of my readers if he had read any fanfics that had such character development for the villians. He said he had not. I would love your opinion on the matter as well. Actually much like Gundam villians now that I think about it, although you have to admit when it came to whether or not he thought he was actually helping the Arian race, it is hard to say that he was not really a ?bad guy.?

BTW, I told this reader in return that the only fic I could remember with indepth villian character development was a fic where Relena was kidnapped and made into a super-soldier that rivaled Heero. She was controled by some small device. I forget the title though. Do any of you remember it?

Oh, Wingnut, you were right. I checked and L2 is beyond the moon. BTW, a map is easy to find. Just do an images searcg=h a Google for "lagrange points" and maps will pop up as well as pictures of Louis himself.

Thanks for the comments and I hope you give more as you read.

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:21 pm
by Wingnut
Teankun wrote:Sometimes I don't understand it myself :-?

But I do see your point, and actually the main antagonists of my fic feel they are in the right. Even the National Socialists convinced the German people that what they were doing was for the better.

I'll admit another peeve I have about many other fics is a standard faceless "mur-ha-ha" villian. I wanted the villians in my fic to be much more complex. I guess I did a good job. I asked one of my readers if he had read any fanfics that had such character development for the villians. He said he had not. I would love your opinion on the matter as well. Actually much like Gundam villians now that I think about it, although you have to admit when it came to whether or not he thought he was actually helping the Arian race, it is hard to say that he was not really a ?bad guy.?

BTW, I told this reader in return that the only fic I could remember with indepth villian character development was a fic where Relena was kidnapped and made into a super-soldier that rivaled Heero. She was controled by some small device. I forget the title though. Do any of you remember it?

Oh, Wingnut, you were right. I checked and L2 is beyond the moon. BTW, a map is easy to find. Just do an images searcg=h a Google for "lagrange points" and maps will pop up as well as pictures of Louis himself.

Thanks for the comments and I hope you give more as you read.
I do remember it, Although I forget the name, I do believe it was finished and Relena rescued.

Couples

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:22 pm
by Teankun
Oh here are some of the couple that will be in the fic

1xR



2xH



3xDR*



4xD






5
#x
##S##### (love triangle)
#x
4.2*
#$





*26x1.1



100*
#x
##90##### (love triangle)
#x
17*




*90.1x15*





*Character original to the fic.


I will probably think of other couples later. Any questions?

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:01 pm
by Wingnut
WTF is 1.1 and 90? Zechs is usually 6 and Noin is 9. Any characters that may have used 90 are certanly dead by the end of the series.
Wait, is 1.1 Lady Une? if so than many people use 11 to designate her character in numerical pairings listings.

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:00 pm
by Teankun
OH yeah, I have 6x9 too

"Noventa" is Spanish for "ninety"
So for the original series "90" is Sylvia Noventa

Check out: http://gundamwing.net/information.php?f ... 01/numbers

Yes, "1.1" is Lady Une. I know that often "11" used, but that is because "Une" means "one." The second "1" is to differate from Heero. Likewise, "12" has been use for Midii Une to differate her from the primary and secondary characters whose names mean "one."

But, "12" looks more like "twelve," and while nor character no my knowledge in the original series is named after "eleven," "Tsubarov" means "twelve," and I dare say that even I die hard yaoi fan would think "Ewwwwww" with that 3x12 pairing disgusting. I appoligize for putting that image in your head.

So to emphasize that "une" means niether "eleven" nor "twelve" but "one," I use "1.1" and "1.2"
For that matter, I may bring up 1.3 , 1.4 , for other names based off of words for "one" in other languages.

Simularly, the name Wufei's rival for Sally, also means "four," but he is desinated 4.2 to differnate from Quatre as well as his mother, 4.2. BTW, 4.3 will make her appearance in chapter 1 along with her assosiates 7.1 and 8.1

does that clear things up or are you confused even more? :-P

Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:56 pm
by Wingnut
Confused even more. Usually people don't bother with the number/letter system outside of the main characters and any that you come up with on your own are simply refered to as OC. Zapenstap even has an OCxOC pairing inone of her fics. So just saying OC is usually the pefered method.