Blissful Ignorance

I'll be honest,Wufei has always been my least favourite character.He always came across,to me at least,as being a spoilt brat.Granted he had some cause after his colony was destroyed,but nonetheless he needed a serious attitude adjustment and I kept hoping that either Heero or Trowa would "lay down the law" so to speak.

There will be screaming, crying, and verbal and physical fighting to come...and that's just in Heero's case.

If Heero hears the rumours Wufei will have to employ SOME force,cause I don't think Heero would be willing to see Relena any other way(and that's assuming Wufei would win.AS IF.....but then again you might want it that way).

Yes, it is. There are others, of course, but bringing ice cream to a sad woman is a big one.

Doesn't seem to work on some girls I know...

I have a serious question that I wish to pose to some of you. If situations had been reversed, and Heero was the one who busted into Relena's office and left her feeling like a used tool (well, technically, given her state at the beginning of all this she probably would have jumped at the opportunity) would you still be cheering about it? I mean, this is a very clear cut case of sexual harrassment if you ask me.

By the way, I do like the story very much, please continue.

When Relena wakes up after her night of drunkeness and slightly remembers being in a shower and having a bare waist with strong arms wrapped around her...are you going to go into detail about that moment, is Relena ever going to question Wufei about it? Or is this something to be left for the readers imagination.....?

AliasGrace wrote:When Relena wakes up after her night of drunkeness and slightly remembers being in a shower and having a bare waist with strong arms wrapped around her...are you going to go into detail about that moment, is Relena ever going to question Wufei about it? Or is this something to be left for the readers imagination.....?

Err...you can imagine whatever you want to I guess, but nothing remotely sexual happened between them. Taking cold showers is a popular way to sober up after drinking...except that it's a myth and doesn't work. But lots of people still do it. Throwing someone in a shower is also the easiest way to clean them up, and Relena had just gotten sick. You wouldn't want to stand in a shower holding up a sick woman fully clothed, would you? Wufei was taking care of her when she couldn't take care of herself, and that was all that happened. So there's no need for her to question him.

Tumbleweed wrote:I have a serious question that I wish to pose to some of you. If situations had been reversed, and Heero was the one who busted into Relena's office and left her feeling like a used tool (well, technically, given her state at the beginning of all this she probably would have jumped at the opportunity) would you still be cheering about it? I mean, this is a very clear cut case of sexual harrassment if you ask me.

By the way, I do like the story very much, please continue.

And you have no idea how much I agonized over whether to continue the fic before they even had sex. I very nearly scrapped it. I debated internally for several weeks before consulting some other author friends of mine for their opinions. Then I still had to go back and rewrite the lemon scenes to satisfy my conscience that Heero was a willing participant and that Relena was not in essence raping him.

It's far more complicated than I ever intended it to be (it was supposed to be a 3 part PWP finished before Christmas 2002), but I am well aware of all the issues the characters are facing and am attempting to resolve them all to the best of my abilities. I hope I don't disappoint.

Originally posted by Smarty Cat:

And what on earth would Sango say? Or do rather... You don't enjoy being bludgeoned with a giant boomerang, do you?

well, the first few times no, but now, no. that is, have you ever groped sango, and when she is in her demon exterminator mode and uniform, that is, my hand tends to get a mind of its own.

i do not enjoy pain. sometimes.

Smarty Cat wrote: And you have no idea how much I agonized over whether to continue the fic before they even had sex. I very nearly scrapped it. I debated internally for several weeks before consulting some other author friends of mine for their opinions. Then I still had to go back and rewrite the lemon scenes to satisfy my conscience that Heero was a willing participant and that Relena was not in essence raping him.

It's far more complicated than I ever intended it to be (it was supposed to be a 3 part PWP finished before Christmas 2002), but I am well aware of all the issues the characters are facing and am attempting to resolve them all to the best of my abilities. I hope I don't disappoint.

I hate to break it to you, but even in the most optomistic view of the happening in Heero's office, that still wouldn't hold up in court. Technically speaking it was sexual harrassment, easily rape, the first time Heero said no. Don't worry though, what this turned into a whole lot more intresting then a three chapter excuse for Relena to get... satisfaction.

*shakes his head*
Poor, poor, poor Relena. She just doesn't seem to understand that it isn't about whether Heero was her first or not, it's about whether she used the poor guy or not. You didn't even have to include the shower scene for me to figure out what was going on with Yuy, the fact that he declined initially made me suspect that he's not the personality type that would go to a bar and brag to his buddies about how he just got laid by his boss afterwords (not that I thought he would be that type anyway).

Personally, as it stands, I feel that getting Heero jealous is a very bad idea; the only thing that could make this situation better is communication. I know it's a popular plot device right now but in this particular situation, if I were in Heero's shoes, I would feel a lot more hurt and used then I would feel jealous of WuFei; that's just me. Of course, this raises another issue all together, society doesn't really find it acceptable for men to vent their emotions the same way as women, which just about every psycologist (sp?) or marrige help tape (my mom plays those things WAY too loud) that I've read or listened to pretty much agrees that this isn't healthy. To make matters worse, it doesn't even seem like Heero has anyone to express his anxieties to even if he wanted to, which he wouldn't because for a male this would all be very humiliating.

Anyway, before this becomes too much of a rant, I just wanted to congradualate you, Smarty Cat, on setting up an excellent and intriguing storyline.

To follow up up on Tumble's point.The television scene where Heero was being interviewed,was she really expecting him to blurt out,"Yes.We've been having an affair and she comes to my office and we screw each others' brains out."You realise that if it were the other way around,Heero would have everyone screaming for his blood.

It's basically a lose/lose situation.If he said 'yes' he endangered her political position and makes her a target for anyone seeking revenge against him,and if he said 'no' he gets Relena upset and Wufei on some ill-conceived vengeance trip.

Tumble has another point.Perhaps Heero should be shown talking to one of the other pilots,whether willingly or unintentionally,as to how he views the situation.

::ghost beta materializes::

i would be the non-betaing beta

....and now i'm wishing i really could have been able to comment on this sooner...

i think the only problem smartycat has is that she writes so well that this fic seems almost realistic...which then brings up 'real issues'.. i doubt anyone ever has these objections to all those sex fantasy fics about the woman being taken captive and seduced by her captor...etc...

it's only a credit to her writing skills that people can even think the issue of rape could ever come up in a fanfiction... i mean wow! FANFICTION!! a form of writing that most of the time is considered the most unoriginal form out there and still smarty can make it seem as if her story is considered even more real than the anime series it was based on... i mean ppl consider treize more evil than any of the g-pilots even tho they were pretty much terrorists and he was a legitimate sovereign...

sorry... digression...

anyway...smarty u r already putting in way more 'evidence of consent' than any other lemon fic i've seen...

keep up the great work imouto-chan.. and i can't wait to see the rest...

luv ya bunches...

miaka oneechan

I do agree that Smarty Cat did an excellent job in writing this, it actually seemed like it would be kind of silly at first and I wasn't quite sure why I continued to read it, but then it occured to me when I was reading the reviews for the sex scene chapter that Relena basically just raped the poor guy and everybody is cheering about it. It just seemed a little unjust to me is all. I don't know what else you could call busting into your subordinate's office with a riding crop and practically saying 'I own you bitch now dance'.

I'd also like to point something else out that the Tumbleweed doesn't read sex fantasy fics that often (if ever) and the Tumbleweed looks for deeper meaning in everything because the Tumbleweed is insane. Also, there's no doubt in anyone's mind that men rape women; I guess I'm just taking out my pent up frustration about being characterized as one of those 'evil white males who just wants to screw everybody' out on this story.

About your comment about Treize v the Gundam Pilots. Treize is a legitamate soverign in the same way Hitler was, OK. However, I never really thought of Treize as a militious man, just a man with strong ideas about things. I really don't see how someone could look at Gundam Wing and see good vs evil but then again, the Tumbleweed is insane.

As for what Ryan said, yeah, Heero is pretty much in a lose, lose situation. I'd like to add something though, he'd also be afraid to tell anyone because:
A. It would sound really wussy (men don't get raped, men do the raping)
B. He'd have a hard time convincing people that he was in fact violated and wasn't just as eager to do it as her (men don't get raped, men do the raping)